Usher Raymond or Beyonce Knowles.....

[MÉCHANT LOUP]

Which one of the two, has or has more "NATURAL" Talent?

 

[SWAGGERIFIC]

Usher

 

[Oneshot]

measuring natural talent is difficult
beyonce has the higher work ethic though..

 

[MÉCHANT LOUP]

Usher

Agree...

measuring natural talent is difficult
beyonce has the higher work ethic though..

Exactly....and, that's why I could never really understand this fascination and cult following she has.

Beyonce is so manufactured, she is only as good as the people behind her....and, she is fortunate enough to have some of the people best in the business behind her.

 

[Lappo]

lol so usher aint as good as the people behind him also?

 

[MÉCHANT LOUP]

lol so usher aint as good as the people behind him also?

So, you don't feel his success started with his talent...oppose designed & manufactured like J.LO, I mean Beyonce.

 

[Oneshot]

So, you don't feel his success started with his talent...oppose designed & manufactured like J.LO, I mean Beyonce.

i rate work ethic over talent though.

 

[MÉCHANT LOUP]

i rate work ethic over talent though.

that's cool...

I just don't get the Michael Jackson type following Beyonce gets.

 

[Oneshot]

that's cool...

I just don't get the Michael Jackson type following Beyonce gets.

social is a massive multiplier. and to be fair, we dont have pop stars like MJ anymore

 

[jolie]

i'm not a fan of beyonce, but the girl has real natural raw talent as far as singing goes. she really "dumbed herself down" for lack of better words, to fit in with what's popular.now i'm just talking about singing, as for as writing, etc. and everything else musically maybe usher has an edge.. beyonce steals ppl's music, dance moves, shows no originality.
i've not heard usher in a raw state to even compare the two.. just making an observation. i do think usher did the same thing tho, "dumbed himself down" and also stole moves from MJ

 

[Hello BKLYN]

Singing Beyonce hands down..

But as menchant said.. Beyonce is too contrived... she has no charisma or creativity or personality that pop stars have had in the past...

 

[MÉCHANT LOUP]

i'm not a fan of beyonce, but the girl has real natural raw talent as far as singing goes. she really "dumbed herself down" for lack of better words, to fit in with what's popular.now i'm just talking about singing, as for as writing, etc. and everything else musically maybe usher has an edge.. beyonce steals ppl's music, dance moves, shows no originality.
i've not heard usher in a raw state to even compare the two.. just making an observation. i do think usher did the same thing tho, "dumbed himself down" and also stole moves from MJ

I hear you...

But Usher actual tries to emulate Jackie Wilson, which is MJ's role model.

 

[Jason kiDD]

Good thread...

Usher Raymond - Biography - IMDb

 

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