Anyone agree that Soca is too broad of a term?

Carib2

Registered User
It includes so many different sounds (which is brilliant) but I think on a world stage its confusing.

Jab Soca sounds like this

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Then you have this

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this

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or maybe most music genres have such variation in sound?
 

socapineman

JA Soca Ambassador
But most genres do......I think what you getting at is why not more crossover hits and simple acceptance of it..... I think a lot of it have to do with subject matter, jump, wave, carnival, rags, etc..


Just not appealing unless you are open-minded to that subject ma's, carnival, flags, etc.

Look at the songs that made it Big...,,Hot Hot Hot, who let the dogs out, Turn me On, Pump me up with the music, Party Animal, even.....Bunji, Differentology


So, this is commonsense to me, nothing about Flags, Carnival , Jump, and wave.
 

Carib2

Registered User
Well I guess its only me. Was trying to contribute to this dead forum. Oh wel thought I could get a debate going..
 

socapineman

JA Soca Ambassador
Well I guess its only me. Was trying to contribute to this dead forum. Oh wel thought I could get a debate going..
Smh,

You have two response........

What is Wrong with those ?

Side note.....the forum is dead because most only want to talk about their island's soca.
 

Carib2

Registered User
they are calling everything Soca nowadays, the music from St Lucia is not really Soca
Exactly its Kuduro/Dennery segment/hybrid music

Soca

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Soca

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Soca??????????????????

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Does any other genre have such wide ranging beats. Soca probably comprises up to 10 sub-categories and other music genres...
 

jason23

Gintoki Ginsan Sakata
Exactly its Kuduro/Dennery segment/hybrid music

Soca

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Soca????????????????????????

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Soca

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Soca??????????????????

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Does any other genre have such wide ranging beats. Soca probably comprises up to 10 sub-categories and other music genres...


this is when you share what you have and have no regulation on what you created. trinis sharing soca and allowing or saying put your own culture or influence on soca has led to these so called songs being called soca! its really dis ingenious and disrespectful to the artform. like when mento singers use to sing mento and say is calypso when it never was etc Trinidad and Tobago needs to take a front and really start to regularize the music and structure and educate people on what is soca.if you wanna sing dennery kudro or what ever its call, then say its that and stop saying its soca when its not and same goes for all the other islands bajan antigua st kitts guyana etc etc stick to what soca is and not what you think is soca and dipping into soca genre
 

Socapro

Repect Our Soca Pioneers
Contrary to the general perception Soca has always been a very versatile music genre from its inception because Lord Shorty who invented and branded Soca music, did a variety of soca styles from the early to late 1970's that incorporated musical influences from East Indian music, Soul, Funk, Disco, Spouge, Reggae, Rapso, Cadence-lypo, Latin, Parang, Rumba, Gospel, Baptist, Orisha, Afrobeat, Makossa, Steelpan, Jouvay, Jab Jab, Carnival, etc.

So it was inevitable that soca would have evolved into such a wide variety of soca styles especially after it was also embraced by the other Caribbean islands/countries outside of Trinidad and Tobago by the 1980's.

Also based on this tradition of soca being produced in such a wide variety of styles from its inception in the early 1970's it will be totally impossible for any T&T government body to now stipulate that only artists doing a particular style of Soca can view or brand their music as Soca well over 40 years after the wide variety soca branding boat has long sailed.

Lord Shorty originally defined Soca as the Soul of Calypso but Machel Montano famously said in an interview about 8 to 10 years ago that Soca has now grown into being the Sound of the Caribbean and I am inclined to agree with Machel's updated definition based on Soca's long history of being produced in such a wide variety of styles from since the 1970's.

Most of the folks who complain about the wide variety of soca styles that exist today are simply ignorant of Soca's long history of being produced in a wide variety of styles or are just narrow-minded about soca music and trying to impose their narrow-minded view onto others.
 

trinifrombx

Registered User
Contrary to the general perception Soca has always been a very versatile music genre from its inception because Lord Shorty who invented and branded Soca music, did a variety of soca styles from the early to late 1970's that incorporated musical influences from East Indian music, Soul, Funk, Disco, Spouge, Reggae, Rapso, Cadence-lypo, Latin, Parang, Rumba, Gospel, Baptist, Orisha, Afrobeat, Makossa, Steelpan, Jouvay, Jab Jab, Carnival, etc.

So it was inevitable that soca would have evolved into such a wide variety of soca styles especially after it was also embraced by the other Caribbean islands/countries outside of Trinidad and Tobago by the 1980's.

Also based on this tradition of soca being produced in such a wide variety of styles from its inception in the early 1970's it will be totally impossible for any T&T government body to now stipulate that only artists doing a particular style of Soca can view or brand their music as Soca well over 40 years after the wide variety soca branding boat has long sailed.

Lord Shorty originally defined Soca as the Soul of Calypso but Machel Montano famously said in an interview about 8 to 10 years ago that Soca has now grown into being the Sound of the Caribbean and I am inclined to agree with Machel's updated definition based on Soca's long history of being produced in such a wide variety of styles from since the 1970's.

Most of the folks who complain about the wide variety of soca styles that exist today are simply ignorant of Soca's long history of being produced in a wide variety of styles or are just narrow-minded about soca music and trying to impose their narrow-minded view onto others.

Good post!
 
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