Indian Influence in Trini Accent

dollbabi

Earth Angel
why is everyone acting like I am saying something wrong...Haitians are not different from Africans in any way possible...Haiti did not have much mixing...there is culture is the least "creole" of all the Caribbean countries.
Well that's because you are actually are incorrect. Haitian culture is highly African but it is still Creole. That is the history of the Caribbean and the Americas. We have creolized cultures, from the greatest to the least.

Regarding your comment about displacement, all of us of African descent who come out of transatlantic slavery are displaced. Africans are the most displaced peoples in the world. The vast majority of African descendents in the Western Hemisphere are products of displacement. You made the statement about Haiti as though such a history is unique to them when it is not. For all of us, Haitians included, it would be a transition to go "back to Africa" because we are products of generations of displacement.
 

SKBai1991

Registered User
That's rubbish skbai, Haitians talk and act like Africans. If Haiti is like the Caribbean in the 40's why is it that none of my grandparents act like them?

And what non African influences do they have if the Haitian slaves had killed the french slave masters Only within a few years of arriving from Africa? Unlike other Caribbean countries where a culture started to develop by the 1800's, slaves brought to Haiti would literally die within a few years of arrival, haiti was basically a giant factory. So how did slaves who just arrived from africa and killed their slave masters have enough time to absorb so much non African influence? Haitian culture is a mixture if African cultures with a european influenced language, like equatorial guinea, Congo, Angola etc. Haitian culture developed after French colonization
I'm talking about former plantation societies in the Caribbean (particularly other English and French speaking nations), and the Dominican Republic is not among them. Cuba would be a fairer example for comparison.

Anyway

1. They did not "kill off their masters within only a few years of arriving from Africa". St-Domingue was an official French colony for over a century before the independent nation of Haiti was born (1697-1804) and in that time, while the mortality rate among slaves was high, it was not so high that there were no generational families of slaves and free people of colour in Haiti. L'Overture, Dessalines, Raimond, Boukman...almost all of the leaders of the Haitian independence movement were born in the colonies, not in Africa. I don't know what rubbish you're talking but to say that a creole culture couldn't evolve in a century of colonialism because we all came straight from Africa and then died and were replaced is retarded.

2. Haitian culture is indeed a mixture of African culture but it also has a great deal of European influence as well. You forget that even though Haiti has been independent for over 200 years, for the bulk of that time, the country was run by a Mulatto élite that was very Francophile in tastes and perspective, and they projected those values onto society as a whole.



1) When I say less creole I don't mean the language...I mean the people are less racially mixed than the other islands....

2) Voodoo survived in its purest form! It does not matter why! You are validating what I said. They were able to maintain African characteristics that were more or less diluted in the other islands.

So basically all you're saying is that Haitians are Blacker than everyone else. Okay.

And no, while I'm validating what you've said, I'm arguing against your reasoning behind it not your statement itself. You seem to be saying that Haitians are essentially Africans solely on the basis of the fact that voodoo is widespread in Haiti and Haiti has had a tumultuous past, as if those two factors are intrinsic aspects of African culture.


ok den since being African is bad...Haitians are lily white and have Scandanavian culture :good:

argument done
You're the one who makes it seem like being African is bad...
 

DSP

Heri
Well that's because you are actually are incorrect. Haitian culture is highly African but it is still Creole. That is the history of the Caribbean and the Americas. We have creolized cultures, from the greatest to the least.

Regarding your comment about displacement, all of us of African descent who come out of transatlantic slavery are displaced. Africans are the most displaced peoples in the world. The vast majority of African descendents in the Western Hemisphere are products of displacement. You made the statement about Haiti as though such a history is unique to them when it is not. For all of us, Haitians included, it would be a transition to go "back to Africa" because we are products of generations of displacement.
well stated
 

Inquistive

New member
Haitians indeed act African. Their posture, look, and behavior resemble a lot of West African traits. I've heard Africans say that Haitians remind them of themselves.



Unlike most Caribbean people, Haitians have little European in them.
 

SKBai1991

Registered User
Haitians indeed act African. Their posture, look, and behavior resemble a lot of West African traits. I've heard Africans say that Haitians remind them of themselves.



Unlike most Caribbean people, Haitians have little European in them.
With some exceptions like the Spanish Caribbean, SVG etc, Caribbean people overall don't have much European admixture in them anyway.

And what about their posture, look and behaviour resembles West Africans?
 

swagman

Banned
With some exceptions like the Spanish Caribbean, SVG etc, Caribbean people overall don't have much European admixture in them anyway.

And what about their posture, look and behaviour resembles West Africans?
What's French about the Haitian masses? Do the French carry baskets of fruits on top of their heads? Do they have high pitched voices? Do they practice voodoo?

Do Haitians eat baguettes? are there mimes in Haiti? Is haitian music similar to this?
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SKBai1991

Registered User
What's French about the Haitian masses? Do the French carry baskets of fruits on top of their heads? Do they have high pitched voices? Do they practice voodoo?

Do Haitians eat baguettes? are there mimes in Haiti? Is haitian music similar to this?
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you're an IDIOT

1. Haitian cuisine actually incorporates a very wide range of pastries and baked goods that are mostly European in origin. You ever seen a Haitian bakery?

2. That's not French music that's Cajun/Créole music, which has a great deal of non-French influence on its own.
 

VINCYPOWA

Registered Member
Well that's because you are actually are incorrect. Haitian culture is highly African but it is still Creole. That is the history of the Caribbean and the Americas. We have creolized cultures, from the greatest to the least.

Regarding your comment about displacement, all of us of African descent who come out of transatlantic slavery are displaced. Africans are the most displaced peoples in the world. The vast majority of African descendents in the Western Hemisphere are products of displacement. You made the statement about Haiti as though such a history is unique to them when it is not. For all of us, Haitians included, it would be a transition to go "back to Africa" because we are products of generations of displacement.
I must say that I agree with you, which is rare, on this one.
 

DSP

Heri
Haitians indeed act African. Their posture, look, and behavior resemble a lot of West African traits. I've heard Africans say that Haitians remind them of themselves.



Unlike most Caribbean people, Haitians have little European in them.
what black people dont... even African Americans and Dominicans act African generally. You sound like MoM.
 

swagman

Banned
you're an IDIOT

1. Haitian cuisine actually incorporates a very wide range of pastries and baked goods that are mostly European in origin. You ever seen a Haitian bakery?

2. That's not French music that's Cajun/Créole music, which has a great deal of non-French influence on its own.
be honest, do these not look like african people? look at their posture, behavior etc. when do you see dominicans like that
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tikreyol

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Haitians indeed act African. Their posture, look, and behavior resemble a lot of West African traits. I've heard Africans say that Haitians remind them of themselves.



Unlike most Caribbean people, Haitians have little European in them.
It must be your turn. How do they "act African?" What about their posture and behavior is "African?" Nobody cares about testimonials from other Africans. Do you know how many times I've heard that about just about every Caribbean island? All the time.

What's French about the Haitian masses? Do the French carry baskets of fruits on top of their heads? Do they have high pitched voices? Do they practice voodoo?

Do Haitians eat baguettes? are there mimes in Haiti? Is haitian music similar to this?
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Again I am not denouncing the African part of our culture. It's just not the only part of Haitian culture. Do Haitians eat baguettes? Yes fool! My family drinks cafe with a slice of fresh bread every morning. Are there mimes in Haiti? Yes have you not seen photos and video of our Kanavals? At least if you're going to comment on music get the right music. That's not even French music. French and French Canadian music plays all the time in Haiti especially on the weekends. We grew up on Edith Piaf, Charles Aznavour, Mireille Mathieu and Celine Dion. That's French Music my friend. Those chansonette francaise even influenced our music. Have you not ever wondered why are musical style was so slow? Why do you think we have so many ballads? Why do you think French Caribbean music on a whole is all about L'amour? Seriously

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be honest, do these not look like african people? look at their posture, behavior etc. when do you see dominicans like that
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imbécile yes they look African. They are of African descent. What about their "behavior" is African? What about their posture :kicks is African? All you showed me was negroes sitting down and standing up. SMH
 

swagman

Banned
It must be your turn. How do they "act African?" What about their posture and behavior is "African?" Nobody cares about testimonials from other Africans. Do you know how many times I've heard that about just about every Caribbean island? All the time.



Again I am not denouncing the African part of our culture. It's just not the only part of Haitian culture. Do Haitians eat baguettes? Yes fool! My family drinks cafe with a slice of fresh bread every morning. Are there mimes in Haiti? Yes have you not seen photos and video of our Kanavals? At least if you're going to comment on music get the right music. That's not even French music. French and French Canadian music plays all the time in Haiti especially on the weekends. We grew up on Edith Piaf, Charles Aznavour, Mireille Mathieu and Celine Dion. That's French Music my friend. Those chansonette francaise even influenced our music. Have you not ever wondered why are musical style was so slow? Why do you think we have so many ballads? Why do you think French Caribbean music on a whole is all about L'amour? Seriously

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imbécile yes they look African. They are of African descent. What about their "behavior" is African? What about their posture :kicks is African? All you showed me was negroes sitting down and standing up. SMH
yeah, the culture of the mulatto elites. this is haitian culture...


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tikreyol

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yeah, the culture of the mulatto elites. this is haitian culture...


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I knew it was you. Bobokaka you fail to amaze me. Anything other than african is always "mulatto elite stuff. As if those people aren't Haitian either :kicks If you were going to show a video portraying Afro Haitian culture could you at least pick something that isn't Americanized. SMH

This is a much better representation of Haiti and Haitians.

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swagman

Banned
I knew it was you. Bobokaka you fail to amaze me. Anything other than african is always "mulatto elite stuff. As if those people aren't Haitian either :kicks If you were going to show a video portraying Afro Haitian culture could you at least pick something that isn't Americanized. SMH

This is a much better representation of Haiti and Haitians.

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still african culture...and you just chose it cuz of the light skin girls.
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tikreyol

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still african culture...and you just chose it cuz of the light skin girls.
You can't even keep up with the conversation. That was supposed to display that :kicks. And no I chose it because it was shot in Haiti with everyday Haitian women in Haitian outfits dancing their Haitian dance on their Haitian beaches. Now they're too light skinned? Fix your brightness on your comp. those girls are all shades of brown.
 

SKBai1991

Registered User
yeah, the culture of the mulatto elites. this is haitian culture...


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none of them are really mulatto for the most part, nor are they generally élite, that's mostly middle class people. Anyway, the "Mulatto Elites" more likely then not wouldn't even make music in kréyol, since they generally love pose like they're French.

Afro-Haitian culture is an integral aspect of Haiti but it is one of MANY aspects of Haiti.


still african culture...and you just chose it cuz of the light skin girls.
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They aren't lightskinned by any measuring standard lol

And nobody is saying it's not African influenced but it's obviously CREOLE.
 
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