Jagdeo acquired more wealth in office than any other Guyanese President – AFC Chairma

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NaturalBornRidah

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I've been told that the WPA's platform was not "grassroots" enough for many of its potential supporters.
Grassroots enough for what though, why do you even need to be grassroots to do anything, all they need to do was get them out the way.
 

kidray

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this is a half truth, the Syrian Lebanese control 50% of Trinidad's wealth, not the Indians. so dont make statements if u doh know what u talking bout.
It seems to me that you have a problem with the English language in terms of understanding.Indian people who are born Trinidadians own more than black people who are born Trinidadian.I never made reference to Lebanese or Syrians Smh

To put things into context to help you for agreement sake"let's assume that what you said about Syrian/Lebanese controlling 50% of the wealth is true(100% - 50% =50%)

These is 50 % left over,out of this 50% left over Indians own more of the wealth than black folk. smh
 
It seems to me that you have a problem with the English language in terms of understanding.Indian people who are born Trinidadians own more than black people who are born Trinidadian.I never made reference to Lebanese or Syrians Smh

To put things into context to help you for agreement sake"let's assume that what you said about Syrian/Lebanese controlling 50% of the wealth is true(100% - 50% =50%)

These is 50 % left over,out of this 50% left over Indians own more of the wealth than black folk. smh
no, thats not what u said at first, u said Indians run things financially, now do ur research and I will show u how the Syrians have both the Indians and Africans eating out of the palm of their hands.
 

kidray

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no, thats not what u said at first, u said Indians run things financially, now do ur research and I will show u how the Syrians have both the Indians and Africans eating out of the palm of their hands.
For Agreement sake lets put aside the Lebanese and Syrian per say.Who do you think is better off Black or Indians,you are free to provide proof,but I know the answer.

assuming that you are right,If what your saying is true about Syrians/lebanese controlling things who would they give preference to in terms of job or financial opportunities Blacks or Indians
 
For Agreement sake lets put aside the Lebanese and Syrian per say.Who do you think is better off Black or Indians,you are free to provide proof,but I know the answer.

assuming that you are right,If what your saying is true about Syrians controlling thing who would they give preference to in terms of job or financial opportunities.
Indians as a whole better off financially, but the Indian wealth is overstated because the Indian wealth is in the hands of a few. There are a lot of more deeply impoverished Indians in the rural areas.

The Syrians care about themselves, particularly their families. They give funding to both the Indian and African political parties so they are never on the losing end, they do not make their decisions based on who they favor, they do things based on how it benefits THEMSELVES.
 
Seems like the PPP mafia have hit Imix.
Seawall, u seem to have a one sided view the the situation in Guyana leading from the 1960' to now. The Indians are not the only ones who made the country a divisive one, Blacks have not been the only victims of racism and favoritism in Guyana over the years.
 

kidray

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Indians as a whole better off financially, but the Indian wealth is overstated because the Indian wealth is in the hands of a few. There are a lot of more deeply impoverished Indians in the rural areas.

The Syrians care about themselves, particularly their families. They give funding to both the Indian and African political parties so they are never on the losing end, they do not make their decisions based on who they favor, they do things based on how it benefits THEMSELVES.
it's not just about Syrians and Lebanese per say,assuming that you are right.Indians have been better off than blacks since Colonial days.The Plantation owners hated the Indians but they hated the blacks more.It was much much easier for Indian to get a piece of land than a black man.It much easier for a Indian to get a loan to start a business in Guyana and TNT.
 
it not just about Syrians and Lebanese per say assuming that you are right.Indians have been better off that black since Colonial days.The Plantation owners hated the Indians but they hated the blacks more.It was much much easier for Indian to get a piece of land than a black man.It much easier for a Indian to get a loan to start a business in Guyana and TNT.
this is such a false generalised statement, maybe this happened in Guyana but not Trinidad and I could give a long explanation why

and no Indians have not been better off than Blacks since colonial days, at least not in Trinidad, something is wrong with your brains
 

kidray

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this is such a false generalised statement, maybe this happened in Guyana but not Trinidad and I could give a long explanation why

and no Indians have not been better off than Blacks since colonial days, at least not in Trinidad, something is wrong with your brains
1)So you are saying to me in Colonial days Indians people were not giving preference over black as far as land ownership and it's pricing.

2)So your saying that the White colonial Slave masters were at the least "Fair" towards black people and treated them just as "Nicely as " Indians folks

3)U acknowledged that currently Indians are better off than blacks.Where do you think this process began?

4)Explain to me why then,please put me to shame.
 

Seawall

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Grassroots enough for what though, why do you even need to be grassroots to do anything, all they need to do was get them out the way.
Their message was too intellectual for the common folk. And I suspect that some weren't ready for Rodney's multiracial agenda.
 

Seawall

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Seawall, u seem to have a one sided view the the situation in Guyana leading from the 1960' to now. The Indians are not the only ones who made the country a divisive one, Blacks have not been the only victims of racism and favoritism in Guyana over the years.
Incorrect, I simply counter the PPP narrative that they were the only ones that were being victimized during the PNC years. Furthermore, Burnham was installed by the imperialists, not Guyanese people. However, in Guyana's racialized society, he has become a symbol (though false) of African criminality and brutality against Indians. Anyway, I will be in the country next week for a funeral so I'll be accessing the situation while yamming every fruit in season.
 
1)So you are saying to me in Colonial days Indians people were not giving preference over black as far as land ownership and it's pricing.

This is not true, Blacks left the plantations a long time, Indians were on the plantations for a long time, this is how they inherited the land. I am not sure about how things went down in Guyana but in Trinidad, but we had large migrations of Blacks from up the islands and they squatted on lands when they came, that is why a lot of them are landless or own small plots of land.

2)So your saying that the White colonial Slave masters were at the least "Fair" towards black people and treated them just as "Nicely as " Indians folks

Ok Trinidad whites, Blacks, portugese and even the Chinese were in Trinidad before the Indians, they had already developed a creole culture and were already familiar with each other and then the Indians came. I am not saying that everything was perfect between Black and whites, but Indians were not as integrated into society and surely were not given any favoritism treatment by the whites. This is not the first time I am hearing this false notion. The Indians, specifically the Hindu Indians did not want their children to go the school with Blacks. Alot of Indians did not even send their children to school until the Canadians came in and started opening Presbyterian schools for them. The whites and Blacks ill treated and maligned Indians at one point.


3)U acknowledged that currently Indians are better off than blacks.Where do you think this process began?

Indians are better off than Blacks financially, yes, this process developed in earnest in the 1970's. The Blacks were no longer as motivated after Black power, we studied less, we did not work as hard and became comfortable, back in the 50's and 60's, most of the scholars were Black, then we saw the Indians started to come into the fold more. This process was cemented with the rise of Panday, Indians were given a moral boast, from then on they felt like they could truly rise to the highest point in society.

4)Explain to me why then,please put me to shame.
explained and could explain further if you want me to
 

kidray

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explained and could explain further if you want me to

Please read the Article link
Paragraph 7 and 8 to be specific
When slavery was abolish they blacks man were free, but they still had to buy the land that they owned.it was not given freely

Squatting was and is illegal up to this day.The black people in TNT felt marginalized because they felt as through Indian were taking over their jobs,

U make it seem as if " black people did not need goods and service from the white man at any time"

Being a free man does not mean that ever thing comes free.

plantation owners marginalized the black because they felt that the abolishish of slavery was unfair towards them,now they had to get new laborers and it would cost them more.Because of this they had a vendetta against the Africans.

Indenture labor were normally allow to work for at least 5 yrs and then they can go back to there countries or origin or stay.They had to pay for these lands that were made into village or town and so on.

the only freed slaves who received grants of land in Trinidad were those who had fought on the side of the British in the 1813 war in Virginia. They were given land in an area South of Princes Town known today as Fourth Company, Fifth Company and Sixth Company.

It seem to me that you what to have one of those barber shop conversations.Trinidad and Tobago's Newsday : newsday.co.tt :


http://www2.nalis.gov.tt/Research/S...nDay/tabid/189/Default.aspx?PageContentID=224
 

Oneshot

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Caricom is a pumm pumm organisation seriously.. all of these PM's enriching themselves and no one is bothered.
 
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NaturalBornRidah

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Please read the Articule link

When slavery was abolish they blacks man were free, but they still had to buy the land that they owned.it was not given freely

Squatting was and is illegal up to this day.The black people in TNT felt marginalized because they felt as through Indian were taking over their jobs,

U make it seem as if " black people did not need good and service from the white man at any time"

Being a free man does not mean that ever thing comes free.

plantation owners marginalized the black because they felt that the abolishish of slavery was unfair towards them,now they had to get new laborers and it would cost them more.Because of this they had a vendetta against the Africans.

Indenture labor were normally allow to work for at least 5 yrs and then they can go back to there countries or origin or stay.They had to play for these lands that were made into village or town and so on.

the only freed slaves who received grants of land in Trinidad were those who had fought on the side of the British in the 1813 war in Virginia. They were given land in an area South of Princes Town known today as Fourth Company, Fifth Company and Sixth Company.

It seem to me that you what to have one of those barber shop conversions.Trinidad and Tobago's Newsday : newsday.co.tt :
The difference between Guyana and Trinidad was that , there were just as much black indentured servants going to Trinidad as Indian indentured servants, mind you these blacks coming to Trinidad were from other islands...Trinidad was never a major sugar producing country during colonial slavery nor did it have a significant black population then...Other blacks on other Caribbean islands faced the same problem of finding residence and work,after slavery many of them traveled working as Logies on sugar estates ... some traded their labor for capital and some for a rent....
There were some blacks that were indentured servants going to Guyana the difference was many were from Africa, east and west.
 

kidray

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The difference between Guyana and Trinidad was that , there were just as much black indentured servants going to Trinidad as Indian indentured servants, mind you these blacks coming to Trinidad were from other islands...Trinidad was never a major sugar producing country during colonial slavery nor did it have a significant black population then...Other blacks on other Caribbean islands faced the same problem of finding residence and work,after slavery many of them traveled working as Logies on sugar estates ... some traded their labor for capital and some for a rent....
There were some blacks that were indentured servants going to Guyana the difference was many were from Africa, east and west.
How many black indentured laborers came from Africa to guyana after abolishing of slavery.U said that there was just as many black indentured laborers going to TNT as Indian IL


Would you say that black people in Trinidad were at a disadvantage vs Indian people.

Do think historical in Guyana and TNT Slave masters had Resented African because they felt that slavery abolishing destroyed their plans?

Do you think that Indians owning more land than blacks in any shape or fashion goes back to colonial days.
 
The difference between Guyana and Trinidad was that , there were just as much black indentured servants going to Trinidad as Indian indentured servants, mind you these blacks coming to Trinidad were from other islands...Trinidad was never a major sugar producing country during colonial slavery nor did it have a significant black population then...Other blacks on other Caribbean islands faced the same problem of finding residence and work,after slavery many of them traveled working as Logies on sugar estates ... some traded their labor for capital and some for a rent....
There were some blacks that were indentured servants going to Guyana the difference was many were from Africa, east and west.
WRONG! lol, you guys keep making faulty statements, I only have to laugh. There were never as much Black indentured servants as Indians, we had around 117,000 Indentured Indians come to Trinidad from 1845-1917, a lot of the Blacks who migrated from the islands did not come to work on the plantations but in the oil fields, civil service, teaching service etc. Yes some worked on the plantation post slavery but to say the same amount of Blacks came as indentured as Indians is a misleading statement.

We also had some indentured Blacks coming from Sierra Leone and other parts of Africa, but the numbers for that period does not add up to the East Indian numbers.
 
How many black indentured laborers came from Africa to guyana after abolishing of slavery.U said that there was just as many black indentured laborers going to TNT as Indian IL


Would you say that black people in Trinidad were at a disadvantage vs Indian people.

Do think historical in Guyana and TNT Slave masters had Resented African because they felt that slavery abolishing destroyed their plans?

Do you think that Indians owning more land than blacks in any shape or fashion goes back to colonial days.
that makes no sense
 
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