Rape horror: Teen pregnancy in T&T... Serious Topic.

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Rape Horror


There are over 2,500 teen pregnancies each year, most of them for fathers in the 25 to 40 year age group, Education Minister Dr Tim Gopeesingh revealed yesterday. This suggests that many men are getting away with statutory rape. Furthermore the minister said research at the UWI Faculty of Medical Science had showed that by age 19, more than 1,000 young women had four children already. This was the “frightening” situation which Gopeesingh outlined as he responded to a question filed by Independent Senator Dr Victor Wheeler, in the Senate yesterday. Gopeesingh said based on his 27 years as a gynaecologist working in the public sector, for every 15 new patients in the ante-natal, 10 are teenagers. Gopeesingh said the country had to get a handle on the issue of statutory rape because this teenage pregnancy situation cannot continue. “If people (fathers) are apprehended, there might be fear among the perpetrators,” and therefore it could serve as a deterrent to statutory rape, he said. “It is an issue of socialisation and what these teenagers are looking for. When you question them, even when I was in my own practice...they said they were looking for some degree of love. They felt they were not loved,” he said. Wheeler’s question had asked about teenage pregnancies among the student population. Gopeesingh said he was advised by the Ministry that between 2008 and 2012, there were four reported cases of girls attending primary schools who gave birth. One in 2008, two in 2010 and one in 2012. He said all four girls returned to school to complete their primary school education. Three of them completed their secondary education up to form five. He said however that one primary school pupil (the one who gave birth in 2012) did not complete her secondary school education. He said between 2008 to 2012, the Ministry of Education received reports of 153 cases of teenage pregnancy. He said of the 153 reported cases, approximately 81 girls returned to school and 54 completed their education up to Form five. Of the 153 reported cases,15 lived in Victoria, 52 lived in the district of Port of Spain, 26 in St George East, 44 in Caroni, four in the North-eastern district, three in the South-eastern district and nine in the St Patrick district. Of the 81 who returned to school, eight were from Victoria, 39 from Port of Spain, 20 from St George East, 16 from Caroni. Fifty-four completed up to Form five: five – Victoria, 24 – Port of Spain and environs, 20 – St George East, five – Caroni. However the ministry said these were only the cases reported to Student Support Services. He said there was under-reporting of teenage pregnancies to the ministry and that many pupils merely dropped out of school. He said the truancy rate in schools was currently 15 per cent. The ministry had not been able to track those pupils who dropped out. “Both Dr Wheeler and myself being gynaecologists and following this over a number of years, the research shows that there are more than 2,500 cases annually of teenage pregnancies.” He said it is important to note that according to statistics from the Central Statistical Office as well, most of these pregnancies occur for gentlemen 25, 30, 35, 40 years old. Asked what the ministry was doing to address the problem, Gopeesingh said the ministry was reforming the primary school curriculum and the secondary school curriculum. He said morals, values and ethics, character development, citizenry development, physical education, visual and performing arts and health and family life education had been added to this curriculum. He said social studies, with some degree of sex education, formed part of the secondary school programme. Gopeesingh said there was a strong student support division at the ministry. Cabinet approved the increase of student support personnel to over 762. He said there were more 200 guidance counsellors and close to 100 social workers. He said shortly there would be clinical and educational psychologists as well as behavioural psychologists in the schools. He said the ministry had also begun a “strong parenting approach” in the primary and secondary schools. It had also begun the appointment of local school boards. Gopeesingh said the ministry provides counselling for those who become pregnant. He said the issue of caring for the children (of teen mothers) was however posing a challenge for the Government. He said already 50 per cent of the mothers in the country were single. “So with a single parent, having a (child who is a) teenage parent, we have a major social problem with absentee grandmothers and absent mothers,” he said
 

notorious saga

Sagattarius
This teen pregnancy case been ignored for ages in Trinidad and the rest of the Caribbean, since our great great grand parents time. Change or enforce the laws, the problem is too that our system is so lacks that no one is being punished or get little punishment.
 

Taj

Loyalty to Loyalty
was just gonna post on this this morning

that Aleah Cain murder really put a light on this thing
 

Taj

Loyalty to Loyalty
Asked what the ministry was doing to address the problem, Gopeesingh said the ministry was reforming the primary school curriculum and the secondary school curriculum. He said morals, values and ethics, character development, citizenry development, physical education, visual and performing arts and health and family life education had been added to this curriculum. He said social studies, with some degree of sex education, formed part of the secondary school programme. Gopeesingh said there was a strong student support division at the ministry. Cabinet approved the increase of student support personnel to over 762. He said there were more 200 guidance counsellors and close to 100 social workers. He said shortly there would be clinical and educational psychologists as well as behavioural psychologists in the schools. He said the ministry had also begun a “strong parenting approach” in the primary and secondary schools. It had also begun the appointment of local school boards. Gopeesingh said the ministry provides counselling for those who become pregnant. He said the issue of caring for the children (of teen mothers) was however posing a challenge for the Government. He said already 50 per cent of the mothers in the country were single. “So with a single parent, having a (child who is a) teenage parent, we have a major social problem with absentee grandmothers and absent mothers,” he said
I remember i big stink years back about introducing sex education into schools in TnT the initiative was discarded, now that's where they are moving to

And sorry yes school is supposed to be nurturing but not a substitute for parenting by actual parents now what is the mantra going to be blame the teachers if this doesn't work?
Many teachers go above and beyond
Many teachers are not equipped to be nurturers
All these extra professionals that are being pumped into schools where is the money coming from when they can't even rehab the physical structures rat infestations asbestos roof leaking just dilapidation all around.

The handout culture has to stop oil revenues can't pay for everything and the societal issues are getting worse. These women and heads of households need to get jobs where they can cover their household cos no doubt they're allowing these men to pay down on the innocence of their little girls now it seems to be coming out Aleah Cain child father was also living in the home even after the birth!!!

I guess at least they are starting somewhere and even on television there are PSAs about good secrets bad secrets and inappropriate touching
 

Taj

Loyalty to Loyalty
now this one raped and the police cannot find the man, steups

Counselling for pregnant 12-year-old | Trinidad Express Newspaper | News

makes you wanna cry

The 12-year-old girl who became pregnant, after she was sexually assaulted by her sister’s ex-boyfriend, will receive counselling from the Ministry of the People’s Family Services Unit.
Minister of the People Dr Glenn Ramadharsingh gave the assurance yesterday after being informed that no one had intervened to assist the child and her family following complaints from relatives.
He told the Express that a team would visit the child and provide the necessary assistance.
The child’s mother said her daughter has not been offered counselling and she accused the police of failing to detain the suspect, a 25-year-old electrician.
The Express highlighted the incident four days ago, but no State agency contacted the family. The Express visited the family’s home yesterday.
“No one has come to us. My child is just sitting inside the house alone. She doesn’t come outside. She don’t want anyone, not even us, to look at her. No one has come to help us out. She needs counselling. I need counselling. I don’t know how to handle this situation,” the 41-year-old woman said.
The standard five pupil walked out of her bedroom, where she spends most of her day, while the Express was speaking with her mother and older sister.
The child did not want to speak about the incident, which occurred at the suspect’s house in Princes Town last September.
“He tell me don’t say anything. He said we will both get in trouble and my mother will put me out if she finds out. He said my mother will beat me in front of everybody,” she said softly.
Her mother, a single parent, said her daughter never showed signs of pregnancy. “Until one day last term, she faint in school. After that I started to observe her and I realised she was getting fat. Her belly was bulging. I thought she was eating too much, I still didn’t think she was pregnant. I took her to a doctor and he did an ultrasound. I could not believe the results,” she said.
The mother said her daughter was already five months pregnant with a baby boy.
“I started to quarrel with her.
Cos she did it on purpose and by herself right? Then she told me what the boy did to her. She is so coward and shy, that is why she didn’t say anything,” she said.
The girl has refused to show her growing abdomen to her family. She has not attended school since a doctor confirmed she was pregnant on January 9.
“I miss school. I miss my friends. But I cannot go to school like this. I wanted to write SEA and pass for a good school like Naps or ASJA. I wanted to become a lawyer,” she said.
Her mother said the girl performed well in school and had big dreams. “My life was real hard. I had to work and raise these children. I was looking forward to this child passing for a college and making me proud. Now I don’t know what will happen. But after she has the baby, if everything works out well I will make sure she goes back to school,” she said.
The woman said her daughter was too young to become a mother and keeping the child was not an option. “She cannot make a decision for herself. She is not an adult. I am the adult and she is not keeping this child. No matter how attached she feels. My daughter cannot raise a child, she is a baby. I will have to give this child up for adoption,” she said.
The girl agreed with her mother. “I cannot do this. I don’t know how to raise a baby. I don’t want to keep the baby,” she said.

The mother said she survives on disability grant and would not be able to maintain her family. “I have eight children, but four live with me and a grandchild too. I cannot afford to take care of all of them. We will have to find a good family for the baby,” she said.
The girl’s older sister, who was separated from the suspect, said she blamed herself for what happened to her baby sister. “I became pregnant for him and after awhile we separated. He lived Princes Town. He came a few times and asked me to bring the child for a weekend. That day he came with his father and begged me to bring the child. I asked my sister if she wanted to go and she said yes. I took the baby and we went. We lime in the gallery and then I was feeling sick so I went to bed. That was when he assaulted her. I didn’t know anything. I am so sorry for this,” she said. The sister has a seven-month-old baby girl.
The child’s mother said she was embarrassed to take her pregnant daughter out of the house. Princes Town police have said a warrant was issued for the man’s arrest. The Express learned that officers visited the man’s house at the weekend, but he could not be found.
relocating the post here
 

Inquistive

New member
I remember i big stink years back about introducing sex education into schools in TnT the initiative was discarded, now that's where they are moving to

And sorry yes school is supposed to be nurturing but not a substitute for parenting by actual parents now what is the mantra going to be blame the teachers if this doesn't work?
Many teachers go above and beyond
Many teachers are not equipped to be nurturers
All these extra professionals that are being pumped into schools where is the money coming from when they can't even rehab the physical structures rat infestations asbestos roof leaking just dilapidation all around.

The handout culture has to stop oil revenues can't pay for everything and the societal issues are getting worse. These women and heads of households need to get jobs where they can cover their household cos no doubt they're allowing these men to pay down on the innocence of their little girls now it seems to be coming out Aleah Cain child father was also living in the home even after the birth!!!

I guess at least they are starting somewhere and even on television there are PSAs about good secrets bad secrets and inappropriate touching

This reminds me of Dancehall Queen where the girl was getting molested, and the mother overlooked it since the perpetrator was the caregiver to the family.
 

notorious saga

Sagattarius
This reminds me of Dancehall Queen where the girl was getting molested, and the mother overlooked it since the perpetrator was the caregiver to the family.
This is the problem in the Caribbean, mothers and other people in authority turn a blind eye on the situations because XYZ putting food on the table. dunno if this is still going on but I heard back in the days if a girl mother knew john or tom had money and doing good for himself, even if john or tom was 40+yrs old, the mother would try send her daughter to live/marry the man.

Everytime I hear these stories it reminds me of the Mano Benjamin aka the beast of Biche story.
 

Mrs. Campbell

Girl Crush
This is the problem in the Caribbean, mothers and other people in authority turn a blind eye on the situations because XYZ putting food on the table. dunno if this is still going on but I heard back in the days if a girl mother knew john or tom had money and doing good for himself, even if john or tom was 40+yrs old, the mother would try send her daughter to live/marry the man.

Everytime I hear these stories it reminds me of the Mano Benjamin aka the beast of Biche story.
Unfortunately this happens more in socities where women are expected to stay home and take care of the children. If you are unmarried and or man/husband decides to leave, unless you have parents you can move in with - then what is a woman's option?

Most times the women are uneducated and or limited education where gainful employment is not viable. We know how bureaucracies work; imagine back home...I've heard of people waiting for housing 10, 20 plus yrs.


In a nutshell...situations such as these, are ripe for the discussed scenario.
 

Oneshot

where de crix
i dont expect anything to change, Jamaica, and Trinidad has women PM's that should be their first order of business if they were serious. The community on a whole would support them, if they tackle some big man out there especially.
 

Lappo

New member
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Ananci_7

Registered User
This teen pregnancy case been ignored for ages in Trinidad and the rest of the Caribbean, since our great great grand parents time. Change or enforce the laws, the problem is too that our system is so lacks that no one is being punished or get little punishment.
This practically says everything right here. The only thing to add is a call for a proper sex-education scheme

Unfortunately this happens more in socities where women are expected to stay home and take care of the children. If you are unmarried and or man/husband decides to leave, unless you have parents you can move in with - then what is a woman's option?

Most times the women are uneducated and or limited education where gainful employment is not viable. We know how bureaucracies work; imagine back home...I've heard of people waiting for housing 10, 20 plus yrs.


In a nutshell...situations such as these, are ripe for the discussed scenario.
I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with this. Among other things, it lends to the biased view of the domestic sphere in Western discourse, even Western feminist discourse. There's much I can say on this but perhaps later depending on how the discussion progresses.

This very disturbing phenomenon (to some anyway who living in denial) stems from our long-standing culture of sexual ignorance and guilt. The influence of religion in our schooling and socialising is largely the main culprit - though not the only one - and until we seriously engage in conversations on human sexuality outside of religious strictures, this is going to continue.
 

Mrs. Campbell

Girl Crush
This practically says everything right here. The only thing to add is a call for a proper sex-education scheme



I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with this. Among other things, it lends to the biased view of the domestic sphere in Western discourse, even Western feminist discourse. There's much I can say on this but perhaps later depending on how the discussion progresses.

This very disturbing phenomenon (to some anyway who living in denial) stems from our long-standing culture of sexual ignorance and guilt. The influence of religion in our schooling and socialising is largely the main culprit - though not the only one - and until we seriously engage in conversations on human sexuality outside of religious strictures, this is going to continue.
Maybe I left out...if that is the only expectation placed upon women (especially poor). For which I'm willing to bet, this is the group its happening to the most.


EDIT: my train of thought was also stemming from the scenario in the movie DHQ.
 

Ananci_7

Registered User
Maybe I left out...if that is the only expectation placed upon women (especially poor). For which I'm willing to bet, this is the group its happening to the most.


EDIT: my train of thought was also stemming from the scenario in the movie DHQ.
Actually this goes across the board, it's just that the rich are better able at keeping it under low.
 

notorious saga

Sagattarius
HELP US CATCH THEM

Police call on parents, schools and hospitals to report underage pregnancies, so cops can nab rapists.

Story Created: Feb 6, 2014 at 12:12 AM ECT

THE Trinidad and Tobago Police Service is asking schools and hospitals to report incidents of teenage pregnancies to better arm officers with enough information to investigate and prosecute in possible cases of statutory rape and/or sexual assault.
This according to Insp Wayne Mystar, of the Police Service’s Communications Unit, as he addressed reporters yesterday following the service’s weekly police press briefing at its Port of Spain headquarters.
On Tuesday, Education Minister Dr Tim Gopeesingh disclosed that there were over 2,500 teen pregnancies a year, most of them for fathers in the 25-to-40-years age group.
He described it as a “frightening” situation, as the minister responded to questions filed by Independent Senator Dr Victor Wheeler in the Senate on Tuesday.
Gopeesingh said the country had to get a handle on the issue of statutory rape because this teenage pregnancy situation cannot continue.
“If people (fathers) are apprehended, there might be fear among the perpetrators, and therefore it could serve as a deterrent to statutory rape,” he said.
Insp Mystar explained yesterday, “Once the matter has been reported we will deal with it, and we are asking schools and hospitals to assist us in this regard because these are crimes that have to be brought to court.”
Asked, however, about those girls who were threatened by their attackers following an incident of rape or sexual assault, Insp Mystar replied, “Whether this young person gives consent or not, once she is under the age it is an offence.”
Asked about a sexual offenders database and if there is one, Insp Mystar replied, “I can’t comment on that right now.”
In 2012, however, there was a proposal for such and in April 2012 then deputy commissioner of police Mervyn Richardson said work had begun in establishing a sexual offenders database. At the time, he noted it would strictly be for use by “law-enforcement personnel and would not be accessible to members of the public”.
Minister Gopeesingh’s disclosure comes on the heels of a news story from south Trinidad last week, where a 12-year-old primary school pupil became pregnant after she was allegedly raped by the father of her sister’s child. The suspect then threatened to kill her if she told anyone.
The incident occurred in Princes Town and the matter was reported to the Princes Town Police Station on January 9, but by that time she was already five months’ pregnant.
Relatives however complained they were not satisfied with the police response.
A relative said of the Standard Five pupil told reporters last week, “The 12-year-old girl has an older sister with a baby. The older sister and the child’s father are separated, but he asked if they can spend a weekend with him at his house. The older sister asked the 12-year-old to go with her to the man’s house in Princes Town. That was where she was assaulted.”
A police report stated the child’s older sister and the baby were asleep when the 25-year-old man assaulted her.
The relative of the child continued, “He told her he would kill her if she told anyone. And he said if the girl’s mother found out, she would put her out of the house. She was traumatised and afraid to tell anyone.”
The Ministry of the People has begun to give the 12-year-old several counselling sessions and the baby is going to be given up for adoption when born.
 

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‘Parents unaware of laws relating to statutory rape’


(Story Updated: Feb 6, 2014 at 12:11 AM ECT )

Parents in this country are unaware of the laws of the land, which state it is statutory rape to have sexual intercourse with a child under the age of 14, says Joanne James, Assistant Commissioner of the police outreach programme.
“If something is not known to you, then you will not be aware. If a parent doesn’t know, she may not know the child is sexually active; and even if she does, she may not know there is a law that says your child’s ‘yes’ means ‘no’ because the statutes provide that a child under the age of 14 cannot consent,” said James.
She was responding to questions from the Express following a seminar on polygraph testing in business hosted by the Chamber of Commerce at its Westmoorings headquarters.
James said this country was in its worst time, but there is hope.
“There is hope. There is hope because there is God, there is hope because the nation has a heart and we will surmount and move beyond this. I think we are in our worst of times and it can only get better,” she said.
James said one of the problems facing society was the lack of education with respect to the laws.
She said the police outreach programmes, through collaborative efforts with all stakeholders, will embark on a campaign to educate the public and create a holistic strategy in addressing the society’s ills.
She said in order to deal with community decay, the public must come together to ensure “the village really raises a child”.
James said there is also the problem with parents not being involved in their children’s lives and the generation today being caught up in a world of media.
“The youth, there are so many distractions, a click of the mouse away, Googling. Your parents could have sit on the verandah or what you would call the gallery and look at what you do, see you playing in the yard, hopscotch, moral, girls and boys playing together. They always had that watchful eye. Where is the parent today? Where is the caregiver... the person seem to be invisible,” she said.
James said parents, teachers and neighbours all need to come together and protect the children.
James joined the Police Service at the age of 19 and has served for the past 37 years.
She said as a mother and grandmother, the murders today are horrendous but the public needs to question what is going wrong and work together to fix it.
She said when a person is murdered, one also has to take into consideration that the murderer has a mother; and what did that mother do wrong in raising her child?
James said the lives of young men need to be touched in a positive way to ensure they have values and morals to pass on to their own children.
She said just as there are mothers who are training their boys to do the right thing, there are also mothers who are training their daughters to do wrong, and responsibility lies in the hands of parents to nurture their children and be proper examples themselves.
 

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Teachers ‘legally required’ to tell cops about suspected underage sex

(Story Updated: Feb 6, 2014 at 12:10 AM ECT )

ONCE a teacher has reason to believe an underage pupil is sexually active, he or she is legally required to report the matter to the police, president of the Trinidad and Tobago Unified Teachers’ Association (TTUTA) Davanand Sinanan has said.
Sinanan, a former school principal, said from his personal experience in dealing with such matters, the police treat those reports “very seriously”.
Speaking at the Senate on Tuesday, Education Minister Dr Tim Gopeesingh said there are over 2,500 teen pregnancies each year, with most of them for fathers in the 25-to-40-years age group.

This suggests many men are getting away with statutory rape, Gopee####singh said.
Gopeesingh said between 2008 and 2012, the Education Ministry received reports of four cases of girls attending primary schools who gave birth. All four girls returned to school to complete their primary education.
Three of them completed their secondary education up to Form Five.
For the same period between 2008 and 2012, Gopeesingh said the Education Ministry received reports that there were 153 cases of teenage pregnancy.
Of the 153 reported cases, Gopeesingh said, approximately 81 of the girls returned to school and 54 completed their education up to Form Five.
Gopeesingh described the situation as “frightening”.

The Express yesterday contacted Sinanan—the head of the officially recognised trade union for teachers at the primary and secondary level of the public teaching service in Trinidad and Tobago—to get a comment on the issue.
Sinanan said he could not comment on whether there has been an increase in the trend because he did not have the statistics available to him.
He, however, said teachers do what they are required to do when they have reason to believe an underage pupil is sexually active.
“We are required by law to do certain things. Once we have reason to believe a pupil is sexually active, we are required by law to report that to the police,” Sinanan said.
Sinanan said it is a responsibi####lity the teachers take seriously.
“Our job is not to investigate. We go to the police and report the incident, and they take it from there,” he said.
Sinanan said he has had to report such instances to the police in the past. “From my experience, the police take those reports very seriously. They treat those issues very seriously,” he said.
 

notorious saga

Sagattarius
Can somebody tell me why in Trinidad when something has been brought from the darkness into the light the authorities always act like this just now start happening? same thing with the cocaine case, now the mark buss - they wanna act all gun ho about catching the big fishes. Teen pregnancy brought to the spotlight, they wanna act on it now - like this overage men/underage girl bizness started over night. Trinidad need to be proactive instead of being reactive, look how many kids have died because of constant abuse, they always wait until the death is really gruesome to start speaking out or acting on laws to protect children.
 
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