So, no one gonna discuss the Flatbus Mini-Riot?

Audree

Bush Baby
Kimani Gray, Drone Strikes and Liberal Hypocrisy
Touré Neblett, host of MSNBC’s The Cycle, wrote an excellent piece about Kimani Gray, the 16-year-old Brooklyn teen shot dead by the NYPD last weekend for adjusting his waistband “suspiciously”. Police say they were forced to shoot because Gray pointed a gun at them, a claim witnesses dispute. Protests have since erupted every night in Gray’s East Flatbush neighborhood, highlighting the pent up frustration of routine police violence in communities of color.

Touré rightly points out that the encounter between Gray and the officers who killed him “is part of the culture of stop-and-frisk where young black men are treated as suspicious until proven not.” I couldn’t agree more and I’m thrilled to see someone with such a wide audience talk about it.

That being said, I can’t help but notice the hypocrisy in Touré’s position on extrajudicial killings. Given his vehement condemnation of the brutal force dished out to young black men by police in the United States, you would think he’d similarly denounce targeted killings abroad. Instead, he has shown himself to be an ardent defender of President Obama’s self-proclaimed authority to assassinate suspected terrorists without due process or a shred of evidence, a program that terrorizes poor brown communities in Afghanistan, ################stan, Yemen and Somalia, much like domestic policing terrorizes black communities here at home.

Last month, here is what Touré had to say about criticism of the leaked Justice Department white paper that revealed the administration’s legal rationale for killing Americans abroad without due process, much of which was wrapped in the same rhetoric employed to justify racist policing practices:

We’re at war with al Qaeda right now, and if you join al Qaeda, you lose the right to be an American. You lose the right to due process. You declare yourself an enemy of this nation, and you are committing treason. And I don’t see why we should expand American rights to people who want to kill Americans, who are working to kill Americans, who are committing treason. This is not criticizing the United States. This is going to war against the United States.

Touré later defended himself against criticism and doubled down, saying, ”I wonder if some in this nation are getting a little soft when they are defending the civil liberties of al Qaeda members…People hiding in ungovernable tribal areas who still pose a threat must be dealt with.”

Let’s pretend for a moment that this isn’t identical to conservative arguments made during the Bush years and focus instead on how closely Touré’s justification resembles the attitude this nation has towards gangs and drugs in black communities.

Keep in mind that Obama’s kill policy doesn’t provide any specifics about what constitutes being a terrorist. That judgment is based on the decree of top officials who need not present any evidence.

Ready for a thought experiment? Here is a slightly altered version of Touré’s argument. Notice I’ve replaced “al Qaeda” with “gangs/drugs”:

We’re at war with drugs right now, and if you join a gang, you lose the right to due process. You declare yourself an enemy of this nation. And I don’t see why we should expand rights to gang members who want to kill for drugs. This is going to war against the United States.”

“I wonder if some in this nation are getting a little soft when they are defending the civil liberties of gang members.

Obviously, all black men are not gang members. Nevertheless, the American public, including people of color, are largely conditioned to view black men as inherently dangerous criminals, making them the targets of the decades long war on drugs. The same goes for middle eastern Muslim men, who are seen as potential terrorists prepared at any moment to blow up innocent Americans, making them the targets of our nation’s war on terror. (Seriously, how many more inanimate objects are we going to declare war on before we figure out how dumb this is?)

To Touré’s credit, he did express regret over the killing of 16-year-old Abdulrahman al-Awlaki in a US airstrike in 2011 just two weeks after his father, suspected al Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki, was killed (both father and son were American citizens). Still, he justified the teen’s killing, pointing to unsubstantiated US government claims that Abdulrahman was standing too close to Ibrahim al-Banna, another suspected al Qaeda official. Had Touré done his homework, he would have learned that reports after the attack suggested al-Banna was still alive. (Even if this were the case, would Touré tolerate the police killing of an innocent black child because s/he was standing too close to an alleged gang member?)

Compare that to Touré’s piece on Kimani Gray, where he writes, “They’re not just marching for [Kimani Gray], they’re…marching in pain for all the Black men and boys killed by police who assumed they were criminals, guilty until proven dead.” Yet, for all the suspected terrorists targeted by the Obama administration, “guilty until proven dead” is perfectly acceptable.

This is more than just hypocrisy. Falguni Sheth calls it a “racial double standard” that ”assumes brown/black foreigners shouldn’t receive the same benefit of the doubt about their guilt that is regularly given to other Americans.”

The same racial double standard is exemplified by the deep American indifference to the fact that the subjects of targeted killings, kill lists, no-fly lists, preemptive detentions, and FBI-led entrapments are almost always brown and black foreign nationals, despite the murkiness of the reasons for which the U.S. designates someone a terrorist.

Some might argue that it’s impossible for Touré to exhibit racial indifference because he is nonwhite. That’s a nice thought, but Touré offers a compelling argument against this notion in his piece on Kimani Gray:

Soon you’ll hear a lot about how the cops in this case were black and Hispanic, which means it’s not racial–but we know that’s not true. We have a way of criminalizing black boys and those biases infect both blacks and whites.

That Touré and others like him are incapable of connecting the treatment of people of color abroad (military occupation) to that of communities of color at home (police occupation) is truly remarkable.

Kimani Gray, Drone Strikes and Liberal Hypocrisy | Dispatches from the Underclass
 

Ras_Apache

Registered User
I wonder where else in the world a kid would point a gun at a police, the police, the police shoot him and people in his community destroy their community in protest. Only in america...god bless the USA!

Can you imagine this same story in jamaica or Trinidad?

Boy aims gun at police, police shoot boy,..what you think would happen next?
 

Oneshot

where de crix
I wonder where else in the world a kid would point a gun at a police, the police, the police shoot him and people in his community destroy their community in protest. Only in america...god bless the USA!

Can you imagine this same story in jamaica or Trinidad?

Boy aims gun at police, police shoot boy,..what you think would happen next?
London 2011
 

ladyrastafari

Notchilous
if they fought the gangs in the community with as much vigor as the police are being fought.. these communities would be able to rise up..
 

Audree

Bush Baby
Yeah the same can be said about Trinidad.
If only citizens had as much interest in the country as they do Carnival things would be so much more different right?

No, let the animals kill each other up Laventille
Even though up that hill is prime property and we all know who want it.
 

VINCYPOWA

Registered Member
YEAH MANNN, DON'T BE A VICTIM of the SYSTEM.

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Ras_Apache

Registered User
LR's position is correct. Allya that disagree with her love defend too much fockry..cant believe you all defending some gang dude bout he shouldnt get shoot. No telling how many lives were saved by getting rid of that focker
 

Lucianite

Registered User
LR's position is correct. Allya that disagree with her love defend too much fockry..cant believe you all defending some gang dude bout he shouldnt get shoot. No telling how many lives were saved by getting rid of that focker
Imagine people with "ras" in their name talking like this...

just like some of you supporting the police "fockery" - how many of us get killed because there is not resistance......

people in here im sure would like the se the youth on a better path- so the idea that people are supporting "gang dude" is BS
 

Oneshot

where de crix
Imagine people with "ras" in their name talking like this...

just like some of you supporting the police "fockery" - how many of us get killed because there is not resistance......

people in here im sure would like the se the youth on a better path- so the idea that people are supporting "gang dude" is BS
spare the rod, spoil the child.

wheat from the shaft
 

Lucianite

Registered User
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Lucianite

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Lucianite

Registered User
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Lucianite

Registered User
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Lucianite

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Ras_Apache

Registered User
Imagine people with "ras" in their name talking like this...

just like some of you supporting the police "fockery" - how many of us get killed because there is not resistance......

people in here im sure would like the se the youth on a better path- so the idea that people are supporting "gang dude" is BS
Ras looks at things fair. Not because we dont like police means they were wrong in this case!
 

ladyrastafari

Notchilous
Yeah the same can be said about Trinidad.
If only citizens had as much interest in the country as they do Carnival things would be so much more different right?

No, let the animals kill each other up Laventille
Even though up that hill is prime property and we all know who want it.
ent people say snitches get stitches.. so dey keep dey mouth shut and collect a few bullets or what have you... all dat is part of solidarity with your neighborhood.. "forck de poleese" *scandalous trini accent* "
 

TOLOMB

Red Man
Yeah the same can be said about Trinidad.
If only citizens had as much interest in the country as they do Carnival things would be so much more different right?

No, let the animals kill each other up Laventille
Even though up that hill is prime property and we all know who want it.
As a man from up there I fully endorse the animals killing each other. Imagine that my community, my family and neighbors moved out because of the violence. A bullet came through the wall and smashed the headboard while me family in they bed. Nah. Let the government set up a little temporary shelter for others in the community who have nowhere else to turn and let the animals kill each other before sending in the regiment and the police to lock up the survivors.
As far as that prime property talk....its just that. There will be no gated exclusive communities up on that hill because most, if not all the people with views of the town OWN the land their houses are built on!!!
 

Audree

Bush Baby
And 'Home owners' through out the years have been bought off their own property, because the toxity with in the community is unbearable. Laventille along with many other historic villages/towns/landmarks were deemed The Nation Trust by the government yet many of these places struggle with basic proper infrastructure and are subjected to high crime rates.
Much much more can and should be done to erradicate the criminal element, but they choose not to. They have their eye on the prize.
It's happening all over.

London, Bristol
Chicago
New Orleans
Brooklyn



Don't take my comment to personal. Laventille was only 1 example.
My point is, Carnival is more of a concern than the country.
 
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