Young blacks being targeted, police brutality in T&T. what allyuh think bout this?

notorious saga

Sagattarius
Young blacks being targeted, police brutality in T&T. what allyuh think bout this?

DOMA: Young blacks being targeted
...urges balance between rights of police and citizens


Sep 3, 2013 at 11:03 PM ECT )

THE Downtown Owners and Merchants Association (DOMA) yesterday expressed concern over what it said appeared to be the profiling of young Afro-Trinidadian males.

DOMA made the statement in a release on the violence in Beetham over the past two days, in which it also warned that the use of heavy weaponry against unarmed Beetham residents—particularly children—could spark an explosion of greater violence.

The association, which is headed by businessman Gregory Aboud, said it does not condone unlawfulness, but questions must arise from repeated claims from North Trinidad’s depressed communities of police brutality.

Beetham residents rose up in protest last Sunday and again on Monday, following the killing by police of resident Christopher Greaves, 23, that afternoon.

Protesters claimed Greaves was unarmed, and he bled to death 30 minutes after being shot while police prevented onlookers from going to his aid.

As the protest grew, some residents blocked traffic and hurled abuse and missiles at the police while armed forces waded in with tear gas, firing into the air to disperse the crowd.

DOMA said news footage of the clashes were viewed “with great concern”.

“While we pledge our full support to the Police Service, we must make it known that in the poor neighbourhoods of the East-West Corridor, the claim of police brutality and injudicious killings have been left unanswered for too long,” DOMA stated.

“Few from civil society have spoken in defence of the young people, exclusively Afro-Trinidadians, who seem constantly the target of the very profiling of which we have recently heard so many complaints in the United States. While we continue to pray for the safety of the men and women in our protective services, we also wish to express the need for our nation to pray for the safety of these young, fellow Afro-Trinidadian citizens who, it seems, are greatly endangered for the way that they dress, the way that they plait their hair and the way that they run when they see the police,” DOMA said.

DOMA however stressed it fully supported the imposition of law and order and no one should be allowed to obstruct active highways, such as the Eastern Main Road and the Beetham Highway.

“We also totally condemn the hurling of rocks and missiles at the protective services, but we feel constrained to express our concerns regarding the level of force which was used since it seemed somewhat excessive, given the unarmed residents, many of whom were teenage boys and girls,” the organisation added, pointing out there have been instances where unruly crowds were controlled and repelled with batons and long staffs.

“We do understand the stresses which police officers and members of the army face in` the performance of their duties, but we know from history that returning violence with great violence only multiplies violence,” the association stated.

“The use of superior weaponry and great force can bring the possibility of residents one day becoming armed in retaliation, and this has become a reality in several neighbouring jurisdictions, most notably in Kingston, Jamaica,” it added.

According to DOMA, this is not the first time residents of the capital city’s underprivileged environs have claimed they were prevented from rendering aid and were therefore forced to watch as members of their community died.

In February, similar protests occurred in Sea Lots, following the deaths of Haydee Paul and her two young daughters, Shakira and Akasha, after a runaway car driven by a policeman slammed into them and three others outside the Central Market.

Of the other three, two were discharged while Ryan Rampersad has remained in hospital, paralysed.

Residents of Sea Lots had then claimed to have been prevented from helping the crash victims and erupted in protest, burning rubble on the Beetham Highway and locking off Port of Spain.

With the recent 50th anniversary celebration of the famous “I Have a Dream” speech of slain American activist Dr Martin Luther King, the association also has a dream of peace between those who enforce the law and those who are seen as primary law-breakers.

Quoting King, who said, “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere”, DOMA said the facts around Greaves’ death must become known.

“We trust that the understanding of those given the duty of protecting our citizens and our country will be brought to bear on this and future situations, so that the rights and duties of our protective services are balanced against the rights and entitlements of our citizens, especially the poorest among us,” the association stated
 

Alpha Unit

Insurgent
DOMA is doing a good thing by making this statement. I would not be shocked to find out is a mandate from within the service to observe (more likely harass) young black men especially in certain areas. Where I grew up they had to be careful because much like driving into Carenage, Scorpion was one way in and same way out. So police weren't able to do some of the things others complain about to our residents.
 

notorious saga

Sagattarius
but arent most of the crime (killing, robbery, etc) done by young blacks?
Yes but the last thing T&T police need is the youngsters turning on them, I was watching this documentary on Trinidad called unreported world, It was banned from youtube dunno if it's on there now but this police name sgt singh found a gun that the police never even seen before, these guys have guns that make T&T police gun look like toy. for the size of T&T and the police force size the last thing we need is police officers being gun down, sometimes the hunted does turn hunter.
 

Alpha Unit

Insurgent
Yes but the last thing T&T police need is the youngsters turning on them, I was watching this documentary on Trinidad called unreported world, It was banned from youtube dunno if it's on there now but this police name sgt singh found a gun that the police never even seen before, these guys have guns that make T&T police gun look like toy. for the size of T&T and the police force size the last thing we need is police officers being gun down, sometimes the hunted does turn hunter.
Them yutes done watchin too much gangster shit on TV as is. Imagine if they get so upset about the treatment and start acting out. Trinidad will become uninhabitable because even though the target of their wrath will be the police, many will use it as an opportunity to take advantage of folks who have way more than them yutes ever had growing up. This matter needs to be addressed. For a country with so much money I honestly find the government does not do nearly enough for the youth coming up. Too many of them have no jobs to go to so that they can at least be productive contributing citizens.
 

Mrs. Campbell

Girl Crush
Them yutes done watchin too much gangster shit on TV as is. Imagine if they get so upset about the treatment and start acting out. Trinidad will become uninhabitable because even though the target of their wrath will be the police, many will use it as an opportunity to take advantage of folks who have way more than them yutes ever had growing up. This matter needs to be addressed. For a country with so much money I honestly find the government does not do nearly enough for the youth coming up. Too many of them have no jobs to go to so that they can at least be productive contributing citizens.
The nation needs major over hauling...from captain to cook.
 

ladyrastafari

Notchilous
the police and army do send people to train with foreign forces and get information about different types of weaponry in use by differnt factions as well as the latest drug information and keep them up to date but these "units" are not advertised and called out for "emergencies" to clean up the rabble.... if they were to bring back the Randolph Burrows style "flying squad", people would hold their head and bawl.... there is a rogue version out there now but that RB one was sanctioned from the top and given free sheet..
 

Klang

Real Patriot
well you cah just look at de stem, u have to look at de route. no child is born evil, why do they turn out like this? blacks arent too blame
 

all4life

Forca Barca
Them yutes done watchin too much gangster shit on TV as is. Imagine if they get so upset about the treatment and start acting out. Trinidad will become uninhabitable because even though the target of their wrath will be the police, many will use it as an opportunity to take advantage of folks who have way more than them yutes ever had growing up. This matter needs to be addressed. For a country with so much money I honestly find the government does not do nearly enough for the youth coming up. Too many of them have no jobs to go to so that they can at least be productive contributing citizens.
When it had multiple opportunities for them to take they refuse. Granted they were only getting paid a stipend and not a salary, they were still getting paid to go to school. (hype, ojt, etc)
 

MJ7

New member
DOMA: Young blacks being targeted
...urges balance between rights of police and citizens


Sep 3, 2013 at 11:03 PM ECT )

THE Downtown Owners and Merchants Association (DOMA) yesterday expressed concern over what it said appeared to be the profiling of young Afro-Trinidadian males.

DOMA made the statement in a release on the violence in Beetham over the past two days, in which it also warned that the use of heavy weaponry against unarmed Beetham residents—particularly children—could spark an explosion of greater violence.

The association, which is headed by businessman Gregory Aboud, said it does not condone unlawfulness, but questions must arise from repeated claims from North Trinidad’s depressed communities of police brutality.

Beetham residents rose up in protest last Sunday and again on Monday, following the killing by police of resident Christopher Greaves, 23, that afternoon.

Protesters claimed Greaves was unarmed, and he bled to death 30 minutes after being shot while police prevented onlookers from going to his aid.

As the protest grew, some residents blocked traffic and hurled abuse and missiles at the police while armed forces waded in with tear gas, firing into the air to disperse the crowd.

DOMA said news footage of the clashes were viewed “with great concern”.

“While we pledge our full support to the Police Service, we must make it known that in the poor neighbourhoods of the East-West Corridor, the claim of police brutality and injudicious killings have been left unanswered for too long,” DOMA stated.

“Few from civil society have spoken in defence of the young people, exclusively Afro-Trinidadians, who seem constantly the target of the very profiling of which we have recently heard so many complaints in the United States. While we continue to pray for the safety of the men and women in our protective services, we also wish to express the need for our nation to pray for the safety of these young, fellow Afro-Trinidadian citizens who, it seems, are greatly endangered for the way that they dress, the way that they plait their hair and the way that they run when they see the police,” DOMA said.

DOMA however stressed it fully supported the imposition of law and order and no one should be allowed to obstruct active highways, such as the Eastern Main Road and the Beetham Highway.

“We also totally condemn the hurling of rocks and missiles at the protective services, but we feel constrained to express our concerns regarding the level of force which was used since it seemed somewhat excessive, given the unarmed residents, many of whom were teenage boys and girls,” the organisation added, pointing out there have been instances where unruly crowds were controlled and repelled with batons and long staffs.

“We do understand the stresses which police officers and members of the army face in` the performance of their duties, but we know from history that returning violence with great violence only multiplies violence,” the association stated.

“The use of superior weaponry and great force can bring the possibility of residents one day becoming armed in retaliation, and this has become a reality in several neighbouring jurisdictions, most notably in Kingston, Jamaica,” it added.

According to DOMA, this is not the first time residents of the capital city’s underprivileged environs have claimed they were prevented from rendering aid and were therefore forced to watch as members of their community died.

In February, similar protests occurred in Sea Lots, following the deaths of Haydee Paul and her two young daughters, Shakira and Akasha, after a runaway car driven by a policeman slammed into them and three others outside the Central Market.

Of the other three, two were discharged while Ryan Rampersad has remained in hospital, paralysed.

Residents of Sea Lots had then claimed to have been prevented from helping the crash victims and erupted in protest, burning rubble on the Beetham Highway and locking off Port of Spain.

With the recent 50th anniversary celebration of the famous “I Have a Dream” speech of slain American activist Dr Martin Luther King, the association also has a dream of peace between those who enforce the law and those who are seen as primary law-breakers.

Quoting King, who said, “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere”, DOMA said the facts around Greaves’ death must become known.

“We trust that the understanding of those given the duty of protecting our citizens and our country will be brought to bear on this and future situations, so that the rights and duties of our protective services are balanced against the rights and entitlements of our citizens, especially the poorest among us,” the association stated
:brunette: So...this doesn't just happen in America.

Interesting.
 

Audree

Bush Baby
T&T will reap what they sow
Beetham was toxic under developed land that was not suitable for living conditions.
No proper infrastructure or resources were ever placed. The handful of people that occupied there turned into thousands.
The condition was a disaster from the jump.
So imagine the people that are born into it?
Crime is pretty expected and not a coincedence.

His Majesty came to Trinidad, and an Ethiopian Orthodox Church was to be built there. When he went back it never followed through.

The world is in turmoil every anyway!!!

But like the Legend of Phoenix
Those highly oppressed communities like Beetham
And Laventille going and make history in T&T.
Watch and see how poor people fed up.
Using the same ammunition they give them to take out other big wigs.
 

Audree

Bush Baby
Did they get there over pass yet?

If not, smh

If they don't put that over pass before it make a year since that family lost their lives,

They damn well need grid lock traffic.
 

dedetriniking

Registered User
Everybody can pass in the blame game...but we should be beyond that now. Its a crisis and with all crises the task at hand is to find solutions.
 

notorious saga

Sagattarius
Did they get there over pass yet?

If not, smh

If they don't put that over pass before it make a year since that family lost their lives,

They damn well need grid lock traffic.
Another question to add to what you just wrote:

The alcohol test that was messed up from the police that knocked down and killed the woman and her children was that ever investigated?

They have a new case now where a woman was killed by a drunk driver, everybody is up in arms about that new case but wham tuh de beetham accident police case?
 

Audree

Bush Baby
Everybody can pass in the blame game...but we should be beyond that now. Its a crisis and with all crises the task at hand is to find solutions.
To get to any solutions first you need to find the root of the problems. Start from the top. Those young people are only pawns.
How come nobody/government can step to the Big Fish criminals by now? Those With large bank accounts and no jobs. Who dem big crates of cocaine and ganja coming to?

Where are Beetham constituents?
Where is the accountability for all the atrocities
That community has faced?


Where is the Dialouge?
Who in Parliment is speaking for those people?
 

Audree

Bush Baby
Another question to add to what you just wrote:

The alcohol test that was messed up from the police that knocked down and killed the woman and her children was that ever investigated?

They have a new case now where a woman was killed by a drunk driver, everybody is up in arms about that new case but wham tuh de beetham accident police case?
Until Most Trinidadians put the Rum & Partying mentality down,
The country will remain in the stagnant state it is.
The things citizens mainly does glorify will be their demise.

Explorers/Pirates were amazed of the amount of rum drinking that took place. Recoded facts. Some of their notes is rather amusing.

That spirit is embedded.
 

Naughtyshawtie

Self Made
Did they get there over pass yet?

If not, smh

If they don't put that over pass before it make a year since that family lost their lives,

They damn well need grid lock traffic.
i dunno why they promise de ppl an overpass when that is likely never to happen....i really cant see how an overpass cud be built there....they have painted some crossing lines or whatever on the road in bright yellow and sometimes there is police there...

Another question to add to what you just wrote:

The alcohol test that was messed up from the police that knocked down and killed the woman and her children was that ever investigated?
read somehwere he was due in court a few weeks ago...didnt follow up on that...


To get to any solutions first you need to find the root of the problems. Start from the top. Those young people are only pawns.
How come nobody/government can step to the Big Fish criminals by now? Those With large bank accounts and no jobs. Who dem big crates of cocaine and ganja coming to?

Where are Beetham constituents?
Where is the accountability for all the atrocities
That community has faced?


Where is the Dialouge?
Who in Parliment is speaking for those people?
yuh does hardly hear from mr. hypolite...
 

Mrs. Campbell

Girl Crush
Until Most Trinidadians put the Rum & Partying mentality down,
The country will remain in the stagnant state it is.
The things citizens mainly does glorify will be their demise.

Explorers/Pirates were amazed of the amount of rum drinking that took place. Recoded facts. Some of their notes is rather amusing.

That spirit is embedded.
Will say again...TnT is a powder keg.

The monsters they (gov't n big fish...or one in same) created, will feast on their flesh.
 

Poca

Registered User
There is never any positive outcome when a whole group is targeted. Such tactic will create resentment from the targeted population and it will give those bad minded a stronger reason to do what they do. Those who are on the fence have a high likelihood of turning against the police and join the bad minds one just because they lost trust in justice.

If a group of people are really causing serious problem I think that the only effective thing the police can do is to infiltrate so they can bring down those who truly matter. The runners and to do men have no power, they can only execute. And once they are taken out, they will be replaced.
 

notorious saga

Sagattarius
There is never any positive outcome when a whole group is targeted. Such tactic will create resentment from the targeted population and it will give those bad minded a stronger reason to do what they do. Those who are on the fence have a high likelihood of turning against the police and join the bad minds one just because they lost trust in justice.

If a group of people are really causing serious problem I think that the only effective thing the police can do is to infiltrate so they can bring down those who truly matter. The runners and to do men have no power, they can only execute. And once they are taken out, they will be replaced.
The biggest problem preventing a solution is corruption, when you have some badboy police renting out guns to the gangsters things won't change. When you have politicians keeping meetings with gang leaders making things into a puppet show, that's not looking for a solution. Somebody letting the guns, coke etc pass through.

Think about it, gangsters emptying their guns killing people. where they getting bullets to restock? It sure eh the little local man. Many people use stores and food chains to disguise their main operations. Anytime a gang leader get kill the police knew he was a leader when you read or hear the news.
 
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